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09:06:29 AM Fy12 Budget Overview & Fiscal Summary
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Office of Management and Budget,
Director Karen Rehfeld
                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     January 26, 2011                                                                                           
                         9:02 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:02:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   called  the  Senate   Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 9:02 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Lesil McGuire, Vice-Chair                                                                                               
Senator Johnny Ellis                                                                                                            
Senator Dennis Egan                                                                                                             
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Joe Thomas                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Director  Karen Rehfeld,  Office of  Management and  Budget;                                                                    
John  Boucher, Senior  Economist, Office  of Management  and                                                                    
Budget; Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^FY12 Budget Overview & Fiscal Summary                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:06:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DIRECTOR  KAREN REHFELD,  OFFICE OF  MANAGEMENT AND  BUDGET,                                                                    
presented  the  PowerPoint  "FY2012  Budget  Overview."  She                                                                    
noted the  change in the  staff of the Office  of Management                                                                    
and Budget (OMB),  and displayed the layout of  the staff in                                                                    
slide 2.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld  stated that  the  governor  released the  FY12                                                                    
budget  on   December  15,  2010.  She   reported  that  the                                                                    
governor's budget  vision was to "position  Alaska's economy                                                                    
for growth and position  Alaska's families for opportunity,"                                                                    
as said  in slide  3. She  said the FY12  budget would  be a                                                                    
planning  tool that  was crafted  to support  the governor's                                                                    
vision. Within  the vision  were the  principles highlighted                                                                    
in slide  4. The first  principle was fiscal  restraint, and                                                                    
she  remarked   that  Alaska  was  in   a  better  financial                                                                    
situation than  many other states.  She remarked  Alaska had                                                                    
maintained  budget discipline,  and its  reserves were  well                                                                    
established.  If discipline  were  maintained, some  savings                                                                    
could be  used to leverage investments  while still insuring                                                                    
a  healthy  accessible  reserve. She  stated  that  spending                                                                    
discipline in  cash reserves were reflected  in Alaska's AAA                                                                    
bond rating. The financial  community recognized that Alaska                                                                    
had sound  financial footing, and  the positive  bond rating                                                                    
lowers  the  cost  of  debt.  She  remarked  that  strategic                                                                    
investments   in  Alaska's   infrastructure  would   produce                                                                    
economic growth.  She stated  that investment  in affordable                                                                    
energy would  create opportunities  for the future;  and the                                                                    
governor's budget  proposed key investments in  resource and                                                                    
economic  development. She  reported  that  the last  budget                                                                    
principle  was to  maintain cash  reserves.  She noted  that                                                                    
Alaska had  approximately $12 billion in  savings, which did                                                                    
not  include the  public education  fund  or permanent  fund                                                                    
earnings. She emphasized that Alaska  had a balanced budget,                                                                    
substantial cash reserves, and an excellent bond rating.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  discussed slide 5: "FY2012  Budget Priorities."                                                                    
She emphasized that the  budget priorities were specifically                                                                    
outlined in  the Alaska constitution: resource  and economic                                                                    
development, education,  and public safety.  She highlighted                                                                    
some  of the  components of  the budget  that supported  the                                                                    
constitutional  priorities. She  began  with the  components                                                                    
related  to  resource   and  economic  development:  energy,                                                                    
access  to resources,  and natural  gas development.  One of                                                                    
the  budget  proposals  was $65.7  million  to  advance  the                                                                    
planning,   design,   and   permitting   for   the   Susitna                                                                    
Hydroelectric  Project.  The Susitna  Hydroelectric  Project                                                                    
would supply  energy to  South-central and  interior Alaska.                                                                    
The project would use the  estimated balance of the Railbelt                                                                    
Energy Fund, and would create  jobs to reach Alaska's energy                                                                    
policy  goal.  She  stated  that   the  budget  proposed  to                                                                    
allocate  $25  million  for  renewable  energy  grants,  $25                                                                    
million  towards   the  weatherization  programs,   and  $10                                                                    
million for  the Southeast Energy  Grant Fund.  She stressed                                                                    
that  the  governor  placed  importance  on  using  Alaska's                                                                    
natural resources to stimulate  Alaska's economy. The budget                                                                    
included  funding for  roads to  access the  resources: $800                                                                    
million to  complete environmental management of  the Dalton                                                                    
Highway to  Umiat; and  $2.5 million  for western  access in                                                                    
the Ambler mining district.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:12:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  continued to  discuss natural  gas development.                                                                    
She stated that the  governor's budget included $160 million                                                                    
for  Alaska  Gasline  Inducement Act  (AGIA)  reimbursement,                                                                    
which would  bring the  imbursement to  $345 million  of the                                                                    
$500 million total imbursement.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  queried the balance of  accruement and pay                                                                    
out   of  AGIA.   Ms.  Rehfeld   agreed   to  provide   that                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman wondered how  the administration planned to                                                                    
meet  the five  year schedule  of funding  the $250  million                                                                    
towards   alternative   energy.   He   remarked   that   the                                                                    
legislature had  agreed to  pay $50  million each  year, but                                                                    
the governor's  budget only proposed a  $25 million payment.                                                                    
Ms.  Rehfeld  responded  that  it  was  the  intent  of  the                                                                    
legislature  to  pay $50  million  a  year toward  renewable                                                                    
energy grants,  and remarked  that some  additional payments                                                                    
were made during  the first couple of years  of the program.                                                                    
The Alaska  Energy Authority (AEA)  had used more  time than                                                                    
anticipated to  handle the grant proposals,  and praised AEA                                                                    
for  their efforts.  The FY11  budget  proposal allowed  AEA                                                                    
time to sort  the grant proposals. The  governor stated that                                                                    
the $25  million in  the budget was  intended as  a starting                                                                    
point for budget discussions.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman wondered if  the legislature could consider                                                                    
an additional $25 million  when discussing the reimbursement                                                                    
payments.  Ms. Rehfeld  replied that  the governor  would be                                                                    
open to further discussion and ideas regarding AEA.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  stressed that  the renewable  energy grant                                                                    
program  was embarking  on its  fourth year.  The governor's                                                                    
proposed  rate  of  $25  million would  not  meet  the  $250                                                                    
million  goal over  five years.  Ms. Rehfeld  understood the                                                                    
concern regarding  the reimbursement  of the  energy grants,                                                                    
and reiterated  that the intent  of the program was  to fund                                                                    
projects that would reduce the cost of energy.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:16:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  discussed natural gas development  efforts. She                                                                    
stated  that the  governor's  budget included  approximately                                                                    
$6.9  million for  ongoing coordination  of  AGIA; and  $5.5                                                                    
million for the Alaska Gasline Development Corporation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  queried the position  vacancy of  the AGIA                                                                    
coordinator. Ms.  Rehfeld replied  that there  was currently                                                                    
recruitment  for that  position, and  she agreed  to provide                                                                    
further information.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator McGuire wondered if the  $5.5 million allocation for                                                                    
the  Alaska Gasline  Development Corporation  was considered                                                                    
to be  the total amount  needed for the  project completion.                                                                    
Ms.  Rehfeld  disclosed  that the  current  fiscal  note  of                                                                    
approximately $16  million would  cover the  incurring costs                                                                    
in  the current  year for  contracts and  activities related                                                                    
various  departments. She  remarked that  the intent  of the                                                                    
budget request  was to maintain report  recommendations, but                                                                    
it was difficult  to determine exactly what  the FY12 budget                                                                    
needed. She pointed  out that the design of  the request was                                                                    
merely a starting point.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:19:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms Rehfeld  highlighted the education portion  of the budget                                                                    
priorities. She  stated that the governor's  budget included                                                                    
$8.2  million to  fund  the  Alaska Performance  Scholarship                                                                    
awards  for eligible  high school  seniors  who graduate  in                                                                    
2011.  The scholarships  could  be  used for  post-secondary                                                                    
training  and/or  college.  The  budget  also  included  the                                                                    
Alaska Advantage  needs based  component through  the Alaska                                                                    
Commission on Post-secondary  Education. The budget includes                                                                    
full   funding   for   the  K-12   foundation   and   people                                                                    
transportation  programs for  Alaska's 53  school districts,                                                                    
serving approximately 130,000  students statewide. She added                                                                    
that the budget included  forward funding for K-12 education                                                                    
in FY13.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld  reported  the public  safety  priorities.  She                                                                    
stated  that  the governor's  budget  proposed  year two  of                                                                    
initiative to  end domestic violence  and sexual  assault in                                                                    
Alaska.    The    initiative    focused    on    prevention,                                                                    
investigation,  research,  services  to victims,  and  child                                                                    
safety.  The budget  included $3.4  million to  fund 15  new                                                                    
Village Public Safety Officers (VPSOs),  and three new state                                                                    
troopers.  Through the  Alaska  Housing Finance  Corporation                                                                    
(AHFC) proposed $1  million to help fund  housing for VPSOs.                                                                    
She  stated that  since  the three  years  prior, VPSOs  had                                                                    
grown  from 47  funded positions  to 86  at the  end of  the                                                                    
current  fiscal year.  She emphasized  that the  state would                                                                    
have 101  VPSOs by  the end  of FY 12  upon approval  of the                                                                    
current budget  request. She asserted  that the goal  was to                                                                    
have  a  trooper, a  police  officer,  or  a VPSO  in  every                                                                    
community in  Alaska that desires law  enforcement presence.                                                                    
She stated  that the  governor intended  to continue  the $3                                                                    
million  budget   for  crime  prevention  efforts,   and  an                                                                    
additional  $3.2  million  to   combat  sexual  assault  and                                                                    
domestic  through  investigation, reporting,  research,  and                                                                    
services to  victims. She reported  that two  positions were                                                                    
requested in the  agency of Public Safety  for the technical                                                                    
crimes   unit  to   investigate   internet  crimes   against                                                                    
children.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:22:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld  discussed  slide 6:  "FY2012  Expenditures  by                                                                    
Category." She stated  that the total proposed  budget was a                                                                    
little over  $11 billion.  She pointed to  the left  side of                                                                    
the pie  chart, which  was highlighted in  shades of  a gold                                                                    
color.  She  explained that  just  over  half of  the  total                                                                    
budget   represented    was   generally    considered   non-                                                                    
discretionary:  formula programs,  Permanent Fund  (PF), and                                                                    
statewide costs. She  pointed to the right hand  side of the                                                                    
pie chart,  which was  represented as  blue and  red slices.                                                                    
She stated  that those were considered  discretionary funds:                                                                    
agency  operations and  capital  spending.  She divided  the                                                                    
unrestricted  general  fund   (UGF)  and  agency  nonformula                                                                    
budget.  She  explained  that  the   UGF  held  about  $1.86                                                                    
billion. She stated  that the committee should  focus on the                                                                    
agency  nonformula funds,  when  looking  for reductions  in                                                                    
state  spending. She  revealed  that when  the governor  was                                                                    
examining the administration's budget,  he limited the state                                                                    
agency growth  to 1.9  percent in  UGF. The  budget included                                                                    
collective  bargaining  unit  agreements that  would  be  in                                                                    
FY12,  which  included  six  bargaining  units,  non-covered                                                                    
employees,  and the  University of  Alaska. She  stated that                                                                    
the  increase  would  be  just   under  $77  million,  which                                                                    
included $40 million in UGF.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:24:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms  Rehfeld discussed  slide  7:  "FY2012 Operation  Budget-                                                                    
Formula."  She explained  that formula  programs represented                                                                    
$2.98  billion, which  was  26 percent  of  the $11  billion                                                                    
budget. She stated that under  the education program was the                                                                    
$8.2  million performance  scholarship,  $1.13 billion  K-12                                                                    
FY12, and the  transfer of $1.14 billion into  the K-12 FY14                                                                    
fund.  The FY12  budget for  K-12 was  based on  the current                                                                    
statutory formula, and the  current base student allocation:                                                                    
$5,680.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:29:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld highlighted  the statewide appropriations (slide                                                                    
8" and  remarked that the  statewide appropriation  was $1.3                                                                    
billion,  which  accounted  for  11  percent  of  the  total                                                                    
budget.  She  stated that  there  was  $479 million  in  the                                                                    
budget  for retirement  unfunded liability,  which was  $123                                                                    
million  more than  the year  prior. The  unfunded liability                                                                    
was currently  $9.7 billion: The Public  Employee Retirement                                                                    
System  (PERS)  was  approximately   $6.3  billion  and  the                                                                    
Teachers  Retirement  System  (TRS) was  approximately  $3.4                                                                    
billion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  remarked a time  delay in the  numbers for                                                                    
PERS and TRS,  so the data needed to be  brought up to date.                                                                    
Ms. Rehfeld  agreed, and stated that  the unfunded liability                                                                    
was  based on  the  actuarial work.  She  reported that  OMB                                                                    
hoped  for continual  market growth  that  would help  cover                                                                    
losses  from FY08  and  FY09. She  stressed  that the  costs                                                                    
could  be  managed  reasonably   over  time  if  there  were                                                                    
discussions about other management approaches.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:32:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas  queried the disposition of  the $400 million                                                                    
after  the lawsuit  of the  actuaries.  Ms. Rehfeld  replied                                                                    
that the  $400 million was  allocated between PERS  and TRS.                                                                    
She  remarked that  the Department  of Administration  could                                                                    
give more details regarding how the funds were distributed.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman wondered if the  $400 million went directly                                                                    
into  the  trust.  Ms.  Rehfeld   offered  to  provide  that                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  continued to discuss  slide 8, and  stated that                                                                    
the governor's budget  had $400 million in  oil tax credits.                                                                    
She remarked that there were  two pieces of the $850 million                                                                    
in  oil  tax  credits.  She stated  that  $450  million  was                                                                    
already accounted  in the revenue forecast,  so the specific                                                                    
portion  mentioned in  the budget  was the  estimated amount                                                                    
designated for  the eligible credits for  the oil companies.                                                                    
She  remarked   that  the  tax  credits   were  designed  to                                                                    
encourage more oil production and  exploration in Alaska. In                                                                    
the FY11 budget, the tax  credits estimate was $180 million.                                                                    
She  stated that  in the  last October,  DOR provided  a new                                                                    
estimate   of  an   additional  $250   million.  The   total                                                                    
eligibility for  tax credits in  FY11 was $430  million. The                                                                    
budget was  based on companies' spending  estimates, and who                                                                    
would be eligible  in the next fiscal year.  She stated that                                                                    
language  was  added  to  the   current  budget  to  clarify                                                                    
amounts, timing, and payment deadlines.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  stated that  DOR would  be looking  at the                                                                    
historic credits from  the last four years,  and there would                                                                    
be  an in  depth  discussion about  what expenditures  could                                                                    
generate credits.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld discussed  debt  service,  which was  currently                                                                    
$290  million.  She  explained that  debt  service  was  for                                                                    
school debt  reimbursement, GO  bonds, lease  purchases, and                                                                    
any authorized  state debt. She discussed  the replenishment                                                                    
of the Community Revenue Sharing  (CRS), and stated that $60                                                                    
million would  be allocated to 162  incorporated communities                                                                    
and 149 unincorporated communities throughout Alaska.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:37:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld discussed slide 9:  "FY2012 Capital Budget." She                                                                    
stated that the capital budget  was $1.6 billion, or roughly                                                                    
14  percent of  the total  budget.  She noted  that OMB  had                                                                    
included $103 million to  leverage funds for transportation,                                                                    
highway,  aviation, and  water/sewer  projects. She  pointed                                                                    
out that there  were three port projects in  the budget: The                                                                    
Port   of   Anchorage,   the  Port   MacKenzie,   and   dock                                                                    
improvements in Skagway.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  remarked  that  there  would  be  further                                                                    
discussion  regarding  the  port  development.  Ms.  Rehfeld                                                                    
furthered  that  there was  interest  in  many ports  around                                                                    
Alaska's coastline, especially along the Arctic coastline.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman wondered if there  was interest in the need                                                                    
for  a  port for  the  Donlin  Creek resource.  Ms.  Rehfeld                                                                    
replied  that she  was unsure,  but agreed  to provide  that                                                                    
information.  Co-Chair Stedman  restated that  the committee                                                                    
would  address  that issue  in  the  later port  development                                                                    
discussions.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:40:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms Rehfeld continued  to address slide 9.  She discussed the                                                                    
Susitna  hydro   planning  and  the  Renewable   Energy  and                                                                    
Weatherization   funds.  She   stated   that  the   governor                                                                    
requested  year two  of the  deferred maintenance  programs.                                                                    
She  explained that  the Department  of Education  and Early                                                                    
Childhood Development  would be  allotted $28.4  million for                                                                    
the  Quinhagak K-12  renovation  and  addition project,  and                                                                    
$19.9 million for 14 school major maintenance projects.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Hoffman  complimented   the  administration   for                                                                    
funding a  rural school,  and wondered  if the  governor had                                                                    
considered  Kasayulie  case  in   the  budget.  Ms.  Rehfeld                                                                    
responded that the governor was  interested in resolving the                                                                    
Kasayulie case,  and believed  he would  be open  to further                                                                    
discussion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  wondered if  Quinhagak  was  the only  rural                                                                    
school  that  the  governor planned  to  fund.  Ms.  Rehfeld                                                                    
responded that it was the only rural school proposal.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas wondered  if the funding for  Susitna was for                                                                    
three  to four  years. Ms.  Rehfeld agreed  to provide  more                                                                    
information  regarding   the  Susitna   time-line.  Co-Chair                                                                    
Stedman  stated that  further  discussion  would take  place                                                                    
regarding Susitna funding.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson queried  the total  cost of  Susitna Project.                                                                    
JOHN  BOUCHER, SENIOR  ECONOMIST, OFFICE  OF MANAGEMENT  AND                                                                    
BUDGET,  replied  that  there  was an  Alaska  Energy  Study                                                                    
published the previous November.  He stated that he recalled                                                                    
the total cost would be between $4.5 and $4.8 billion.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson   wondered  what  efforts  were   being  done                                                                    
regarding energy costs in rural  Alaska. Ms. Rehfeld replied                                                                    
that there  were various approaches specifically  related to                                                                    
renewable energy, efficiency, and conservation efforts.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:46:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld discussed  the  FY10  supplemental budget,  and                                                                    
pointed  out that  the legislature  had  approved the  first                                                                    
round of deferred maintenance projects.  She stated that the                                                                    
agencies  reported that  collectively nearly  half of  their                                                                    
projects would  be under construction  or out to bid  by the                                                                    
FY11 construction season.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld stated that the  governor proposed to use Alaska                                                                    
Housing  Capital   Corporation  (AHCC)  for   some  specific                                                                    
projects: AGIA reimbursement; the  in-state gas project; the                                                                    
port  projects;  the  energy, renewable,  weatherization  in                                                                    
Southeast  projects;   and  the  school   major  maintenance                                                                    
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  reminded  the committee  that  the  three                                                                    
years prior,  money had been  put away in savings  to obtain                                                                    
federal  match to  act as  a safety  net for  the state.  He                                                                    
discussed  transferring  the  money  between  accounts.  Ms.                                                                    
Rehfeld  stated   that  through  the   budget  clarification                                                                    
project,   the  general   fund  discussions   highlight  the                                                                    
subfunds.  The  governor's  budget proposed  that  the  AHCC                                                                    
dividends were under $17 million.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:51:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  wondered if the  ongoing cash flow  had an                                                                    
impact  on   the  budget.  Ms.  Rehfeld   replied  that  the                                                                    
governor's  budget proposed  to use  some of  the cash  flow                                                                    
funds:  approximately  $295  million.  She  pointed  to  the                                                                    
fiscal  summaries,  and  remarked that  if  the  legislature                                                                    
chose to continue with the  same proposed level of spending,                                                                    
without  using  the  savings  accounts,  there  would  be  a                                                                    
deficit.  She   offered  that  if  there   were  no  reserve                                                                    
accounts, the  governor probably would not  propose to spend                                                                    
the  additional money.  She stated  that reserves  should be                                                                    
used to grow  the economy. She remarked that  the state must                                                                    
have spending  discipline; yet, management of  cash reserves                                                                    
were  a   priority,  and  strategic  investments   could  be                                                                    
necessary.  She stressed  that the  governor's proposal  was                                                                    
available for the legislature to consider.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  emphasized that February 17,  2011 was the                                                                    
deadline  for amendments  to  the  governor's proposed  FY12                                                                    
budget,  and wondered  if the  committee should  be prepared                                                                    
for  substantial amendments.  Ms. Rehfeld  replied that  OMB                                                                    
was currently  working on the supplemental  budget, and were                                                                    
looking for areas  in the current year's  budget where there                                                                    
were unforeseen  circumstances in  the prior  year's budget.                                                                    
She  remarked  that  OMB  could   bring  amendments  to  the                                                                    
committee, if the  issues were not addressed  in the current                                                                    
budget.  She  anticipated  some   amendments,  but  did  not                                                                    
characterize the number of amendments to be substantial.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  remarked  that  the  state  could  see  a                                                                    
possible  $25  million   Medicaid  adjustment.  Ms.  Rehfeld                                                                    
replied  that  if  there  was   no  extension  of  the  high                                                                    
reimbursement  rate,  there would  be  a  GF replacement  of                                                                    
approximately $123 million.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:54:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  wondered if the supplemental  budget would                                                                    
be funded  with savings  accounts. Ms. Rehfeld  replied that                                                                    
she did not  anticipate the use of the  savings accounts for                                                                    
the supplemental budget.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman expressed concern  in the ongoing cash flow                                                                    
of  the  FY12  budget.  He   remarked  that  if  there  were                                                                    
additional expenditures,  it would be deficit  spending. Ms.                                                                    
Rehfeld  replied  that there  was  a  concern regarding  oil                                                                    
production decline,  and the strategies for  encouraging oil                                                                    
revenue  through  production   efforts.  She  remarked  that                                                                    
reserves  would  be  relied  on in  the  future  to  enhance                                                                    
infrastructure  investments.  She specifically  remarked  on                                                                    
the significant effort to contain the cost of Medicaid.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asserted that  the intent  of establishing                                                                    
reserves was to  maintain a strong position as  a state, and                                                                    
he felt  that the state  was in  a weaker position  with the                                                                    
executive  branch's  efforts  to access  the  reserves.  Ms.                                                                    
Rehfeld replied  that the governor  was open  to discussions                                                                    
about  determining the  appropriate level  of spending.  She                                                                    
reiterated that  the governor's intention  was to  achieve a                                                                    
balance, and determine what items  could wait until the next                                                                    
funding cycle.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:00:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman commented  that the  $645 million  general                                                                    
fund  capital   budget  was  a   good  starting   point  for                                                                    
discussions.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld  addressed   slide  10:  "State  Budget-Another                                                                    
Perspective."  She discussed  the components  of the  budget                                                                    
displayed in  the pie  chart. She  explained that  nearly 60                                                                    
percent   of   Alaska's    budget   benefited   communities,                                                                    
organizations,  and   individuals  through   grants,  direct                                                                    
payments  and capital  project funding:  Medicaid, permanent                                                                    
fund dividends, revenue  sharing, school funding, retirement                                                                    
unfunded  liability, capital  projects, and  named recipient                                                                    
grants.   She  stated   that  21   percent  of   the  budget                                                                    
represented   the  portions   of  the   budget  related   to                                                                    
travel/contractual/commodities  in   the  operating  budget:                                                                    
travel, hotels, professional  services, fuel, and equipment.                                                                    
She  pointed  out  that  many   of  the  purchased  services                                                                    
investments  directly  stimulate   Alaska's  private  sector                                                                    
economy.  She   stated  that  20   percent  of   the  budget                                                                    
represented salaries for state  employees. She remarked that                                                                    
seven of  the eighteen agencies represent  two-thirds of the                                                                    
personal   services   costs   and   positions:   University,                                                                    
Department   of   Transportation  and   Public   Facilities,                                                                    
Department  of Health  and  Social  Services, Department  of                                                                    
Corrections,  Department of  Fish  and  Game, Department  of                                                                    
Administration, and Department of Public Safety.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:04:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  reiterated that the proposed  budget was merely                                                                    
a starting  point, and offered  information listed  on OMB's                                                                    
website.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld  displayed  scenarios from  "Executive  Summary                                                                    
FY2012 Ten-year Plan" (copy on file).                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:05:05 AM                                                                                                                   
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10:05:44 AM                                                                                                                   
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Ms. Rehfeld explained that five  scenarios were discussed in                                                                    
the  Executive  Summary.   She  reiterated  that  principles                                                                    
should be  followed when making decisions  about the budget:                                                                    
spending  restraint  and  looking at  strategic  investments                                                                    
when managing the cash reserves.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Boucher  discussed  page 13:  "Scenario  2:  Governor's                                                                    
Budget with 3 percent Annual Expenditure Growth."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  wondered where  the 3 percent  was applied                                                                    
within the scenario. Mr. Boucher  replied that the 3 percent                                                                    
would affect the UGF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Boucher pointed out the  FY13 column. He stated that the                                                                    
numbers  were produced  with the  governor's budget  and the                                                                    
fall forecast. He stated that  the total reserves would grow                                                                    
throughout the period.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:09:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Boucher  stated  that  the   details  on  general  fund                                                                    
expenditures assumed  a certain growth rate,  so there would                                                                    
be no itemization of the unfunded liability.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  for  further explanation  regarding                                                                    
multiple components  in the unfunded liability.  Mr. Boucher                                                                    
explained  that  when  a  flat   percentage  is  used,  some                                                                    
components  of the  budget would  presume other  portions of                                                                    
the  discretionary   budget,  so   the  components   may  be                                                                    
negative. He stated that the  unfunded liability growth from                                                                    
FY12  to FY17  was approximately  $350 million,  which would                                                                    
put  the  total  at  about   $825  million.  He  stated  the                                                                    
expenditures  would go  from $5.4  billion in  FY12 to  $6.3                                                                    
billion in FY17.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman queried  the growth  rate on  a percentage                                                                    
basis,  and wondered  how capital  budget expenditures  were                                                                    
determined.  Mr.  Boucher  responded  that  the  spreadsheet                                                                    
included  all GF  expenditures, so  it was  assumed that  GF                                                                    
expenditures would  grow. He  stated that  there had  been a                                                                    
steady six percent growth rate for several years.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  requested further information,  and wanted                                                                    
to  know   exactly  what  was   included  in   the  scenario                                                                    
calculations.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:15:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman noticed  expenditures of  $5.4 billion  in                                                                    
the FY12 budget, and wondered  if that included $645 million                                                                    
in capital.   Mr. Boucher replied that the  $645 million was                                                                    
for the UGF in FY12.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator McGuire asked about the  3 percent decline rate. She                                                                    
requested scenarios  that included  3 percent, 5  percent, 7                                                                    
percent,  and  9  percent decline  rates.  Co-Chair  Stedman                                                                    
believed  that Legislative  Budget and  Audit would  provide                                                                    
information  regarding  production  and price.  Mr.  Boucher                                                                    
added that the  3 percent was solely applied  to oil revenue                                                                    
and  production  in  "Scenario  2." He  stated  that  the  3                                                                    
percent would  be applied to  GF expenditures,  but remarked                                                                    
that the  10-year plan examined alternate  prices. He stated                                                                    
that alternate prices were the  focus, rather than alternate                                                                    
production.  He  stated  that  OMB  was  offering  alternate                                                                    
scenarios to add perspective in budget discussions.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:19:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas  wondered if  the $77.96  listed in  the FY11                                                                    
column  was the  predicted price  or the  actual price.  Mr.                                                                    
Boucher replied that the prices  were based on the published                                                                    
numbers  from the  "Fall  2010  Revenue Forecast."  Co-Chair                                                                    
Stedman remarked  Legislative Budget  and Audit  would track                                                                    
the price change over the year.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman queried the rates  of return in the reserve                                                                    
sub-accounts.   Mr.  Boucher   replied  that   the  earnings                                                                    
assumptions were  3.84 percent  for the short-term,  and the                                                                    
6.96 percent for the long-term.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:24:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  pointed  out  the  $29  billion  reserves                                                                    
projection  for FY21.  Mr. Boucher  responded  that was  the                                                                    
projected   based   on   the  displayed   assumptions,   and                                                                    
unforeseen factors could affect the assumptions.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman requested  that  the  capital portions  be                                                                    
removed  and the  operating budget  display more  detail. He                                                                    
also  expressed that  he would  like  to see  more in  depth                                                                    
comparisons between FY10, FY11, and FY12.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:28 AM.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
012611 OMB FY12 Budget Overview.pdf SFIN 1/26/2011 9:00:00 AM